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InsaneKJ
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 Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 3:23 pm |
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KaraokeJerry @ Sun Nov 08, 2009 7:21 am wrote: Sound Choice has the right, as does everyone, to sue in civil court because it believes its property has been stolen. (This is not criminal court.)
Sound Choice must have some reasonable assumption of its charges because Sound Choice can be counter-sued for a frivolous action; you don't want to bring a weak case into federal court. Sound Choice has made it clear that it will immediately drop action against any KJ who shows he or she has the discs.
As I posted earlier in this thread, a Sound Choice rep (an actual employee of the company) visited one of my shows and verified I had the discs.
I was very curious about this visit, so I contacted Sound Choice directly. A Sound Choice employee explained the company's investigation and litigation plans, including how the company would set up an audit.
However you feel about the manufacturers and their earlier practices, they've been getting prison-raped by pirates so I don't blame them for trying to fight back. I agree with Skid Rowe (who is familiar with the extreme high proportion of pirate KJs in our area), what's the big deal about allowing Sound Choice to verify you are NOT a pirate? I would think legit KJs might even invite Sound Choice to stop by their shows.
If this was a case of just a very small percentage of pirates in the overall KJ population, I probably wouldn't care for Sound Choice's line of action. But in my area, the percentages are incredibly out of whack -- I'm willing to bet it's 80-to-90-percent pirates to legit KJs.
Jerry,
You are absolutly correct. If one is named in a lawsuit & verifies legitimacy, they are dropped from said suit. Being a "civil" case, there are no criminal "charges" made. It is not like the Gustapo is coming to take away your business! It's like if there is a reported carjacking of a "White KIA". Every car fitting that description will probably be pulled over by the police. Once the registration is verified to be legit, the owner is allowed to leave without an issue.
I think it is awesome that a SC Rep came to your show. We are in constant contact with SC & are awaiting their visit to our venues. We also look forward to escorting them to alleged pirated karaoke shows in our area here in the Pacific Time Zone.
So, how many pirates in the NC area have scattered like vermin since the light of the SC Lawsuit in your area has shined upon them?
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jdmeister
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Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 3:33 pm |
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A few years back, traveling through Kansas, I was stopped (randomly) because I had a moving pad visible in the back of my station wagon..
It seems some drug lords grow weed in between the corn, and crop it out..
The State police see an overloaded wagon of van, they like to take a look..
The pan was covering, camera gear worth a pretty penny, not drugs..
Thinking back, the drugs maybe were worth more.. 
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KaraokeJerry
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Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 12:13 am |
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InsaneKJ @ Sun Nov 08, 2009 6:23 pm wrote: I think it is awesome that a SC Rep came to your show. ...
So, how many pirates in the NC area have scattered like vermin since the light of the SC Lawsuit in your area has shined upon them?
Well, I learned on this very thread in a post from Kurt Slep that my show had been visited. I called Sound Choice for more details; it was a pleasant and informative conversation.
I'm not aware of any movement locally regarding the lawsuit. I can't tell if anyone has actually been served. If anything, even more pirates have popped up.
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JoeChartreuse
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Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 10:45 pm |
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Skid Rowe @ Sun Nov 08, 2009 6:22 pm wrote: If a Sound Choice rep came by my show, and wanted to see my originals, he would of course have to wait until after my show was over. I might even get him to help pack up at the end of the night. Then maybe we'd go to breakfast, and I could pick his brain a little. We could agree on a time to come by the house the next day, and check my disks at a reasonable hour. (Not 3:00 in the morning). It's really no biggie. I might even ask Jerry to come along.
That's kind of what I meant. If they are pleasant and professional, I would be fine with a look-see during non-show hours. It's the pompous, self-important little strutter that P'd me off.
Keep in mind the lack of actual authority to see anything. Be pleasant and just ask- OK. Don't get pushy....
As for my time being valuable- Yup. That's how I earn a living.
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KaraokeJerry
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Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 1:33 am |
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A singer at my show tonight told me that one of the Raleigh KJ's named in the North Carolina lawsuit has settled with Sound Choice.
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InsaneKJ
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Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 3:14 am |
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KaraokeJerry @ Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:33 am wrote: A singer at my show tonight told me that one of the Raleigh KJ's named in the North Carolina lawsuit has settled with Sound Choice.
Yep....
Much cheaper to reconcile & buy the karaoke content from SC than to pay a defense lawyer, go to court, & possibly lose your business in the process!
Our lawyer always says, "It's cheaper to get screwed in the whorehouse instead of the courthouse!"  !
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leopard lizard
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We are having a few interesting repercussions in our area. Our venue owner had let a fellow with 100,000 songs have a weeknight show "on spec," although we protested. Then he got THE letter which was not instigated by us but we were under a bit of suspicion as we had protested. The Host With the Most was asked to show his discs or hit the road so he hit the road to next door where he is now in direct competition with our venue. This venue and another venue in the area have both stated that we are too out of the way for an "investigation" and they think it is all bogus anyway.
So now we have "Karaoke Wars" complete with spies. The latest salvo was last night when we had a singer with a metabolic problem feint at our show. Someone alerted the venue next door and one of their people came over and told the responding officer that our bar tendress had overserved the singer. She had been serving her orange juice and tomato juice as she noticed the singer was dancing a lot and depleting her reserves. The officer luckily told her she had done nothing wrong. But that is how weird it is getting.
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If the KJ received The Letter moving to another venue will not save him. When he was told to show his discs or hit the road and he hit the road for the bar next door I think that the owner of your bar would advise the other bar that he maybe has an illegal KJ working for him and what could happen. If for nothing else just so the other bar could be informed as they might not know what legal and illegal karaoke is and what it could cost the bar.
As for the guy that came over and told the officer that your waitress over served the woman and the officer told the waitress she did nothing wrong I think the officer should have told the guy that he provided false information on a police report and could be arrested.
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leopard lizard
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Our bar owner received the generic letter about how to tell if you have hired a legal KJ. There was nothing specific about the Host With the Most. A customer that used to be a KJ told him that bar owners were being sued over this. I told him that so far only bar owners that ran their own systems were being sued but he believed the other guy and got worried. He had been pretty cavalier about it until then. The "You have been identified as having karaoke," line packs a bit of a wallop.
I suspect the letter came from the bar being listed in the entertainment section of the newspaper as having karaoke. The other two bars know they have illegal hosts and don't care. They don't adversitse so I don't know if they got letters.
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JoeChartreuse
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InsaneKJ @ Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:14 am wrote: KaraokeJerry @ Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:33 am wrote: Our lawyer always says, "It's cheaper to get screwed in the whorehouse instead of the courthouse!" ! Ah. So you believe that coercion, harassment, and intimidation is the way to go...gotcha. We disagree.
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KaraokeJerry
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Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 12:54 am |
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Joe, you've gotten the quote-reply thing messed up. I did not post the quote above that you've got attributed to me.
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JoeChartreuse
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KaraokeJerry @ Mon Dec 07, 2009 3:54 am wrote: Joe, you've gotten the quote-reply thing messed up. I did not post the quote above that you've got attributed to me.
Yup, that was actually a quote from Insane. Don't know how I did that, but my apologies, Jerry... 
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So what happens if you have burned all your cdgs to a hard drive....but you don't have many of them left due to breakages,being destroyed in a house fire or WHATEVER reason? So wrong.......
BTW in the UK nearly every KJ I know is now on computer. The CDG ONLY guys have sadly been left behind
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Wiggly so why should a DJ/KJ be different than anyone else. I'm pretty sure that there are many homeowners or business owners can't duplicate their assets so they never have to buy again due to fires/theft/ or other types of loses.
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InsaneKJ
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Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 4:37 pm |
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JoeChartreuse @ Mon Dec 07, 2009 1:32 am wrote: InsaneKJ @ Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:14 am wrote: KaraokeJerry @ Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:33 am wrote: Our lawyer always says, "It's cheaper to get screwed in the whorehouse instead of the courthouse!" ! Ah. So you believe that coercion, harassment, and intimidation is the way to go...gotcha. We disagree. Yes, if someone is suspected of doing something illegal....
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InsaneKJ
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Wiggly Dave @ Thu Dec 10, 2009 6:34 pm wrote: So what happens if you have burned all your cdgs to a hard drive....but you don't have many of them left due to breakages,being destroyed in a house fire or WHATEVER reason? So wrong.......
That is what having a paid insurance policy is for....
Copying the content to a computer format is merely for ease of use.... At least it is for us....
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Wiggly Dave @ Thu Dec 10, 2009 11:34 pm wrote: So what happens if you have burned all your cdgs to a hard drive....but you don't have many of them left due to breakages,being destroyed in a house fire or WHATEVER reason? So wrong.......
BTW in the UK nearly every KJ I know is now on computer. The CDG ONLY guys have sadly been left behind
I'm in the UK, and still on Discs as are at least four other shows in my area. About 30 odd on computer around here and neither method seems to make a difference to the clients who hire our sevices, who base their decisions on price and/or personality.
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JoeChartreuse
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[quote="InsaneKJ @ Thu Dec 10, 2009 7:37 pm"] Deleted-just more gas on the fire...
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InsaneKJ
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Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 3:34 pm |
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Why not delete this thread too karaokescene.com?
BTW, The PNW is next!
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Jian
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No, but I delete you from KS
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