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I understand that your comment would be to someone who walked into your show & asked the question about your discs. I am using your quote merely as an example.

Let us remember that Sound Choice is suing for "Trademark Infringement" that people have copied thier "Trademark" onto a computer hard drive. If one can prove that a KJ has legally purchased the trademarked item that they have copied onto the drive, SC won't sue you, or if named in a suit, will drop you once you're audited. All a person has to do is witness the SC Trademark on a computer screen or TV monitor, without any original cdg's in use, to verify that the Trademark has been copied. You could use a similar scenario for burned discs.

Digitally copying their product is an IP issue & it is obvious that SC has seen the light to not seek litigation for 1:1 media transfer for KJs so they don't have to "schlep" all those discs around. It would probably be an upward battle for SC to try & sue for damages for 1:1 even though copying their disc to HD for commercial use is still "technically" prohibited.

This mean:
1: SC can issue an intend to sue ANY computer based KJ for trade mark infringement.
2: The burden of proof is on the KJ;
3: That any computer based KJ can be audited by SC

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Yes Jian, to my understanding, this is apparently so. One would have to have SC content on it for SC to demand "disclosure". CB could "technically" do the same thing. So could Stellar Records. However, SC can act in behalf of The KIAA & audit for other manu's.

I suggest you read what Kurt Slep, CEO of SC has discussed on the ODJT board about it all.

The link below is his first post. There are several more on different threads that you can look at....

http://www.ourdjtalk.com/showthread.php ... post324010

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If Mr Slip wise to keep us inform, he is welcome to post here. I have no time nor the interest to go through his posts in other forum. Please inform him; and reduce your links to the above forum.

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Yes if Mr slep wants to addtreess me I am http://Cabaret-karaoke.com

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I MIGHYT HAVE SOME ILLEGAL DOWNLOADS Come get me..

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As for #2. the in a court of law the burden of proof is on the Plaintiff, who may be countersued for a frivolous lawsuit.

That aside, what I see here would be, if it had any juice, comparable to Sen. Joe McCarthy's Red Menace hunt, which ruined the lives of many and INNOCENT person without any proof whatsoever.

What I see here, had it any juice, would be a harrassment campaign, causing inconvenience and possible monetary loss to INNOCENT hosts AND venues that may be caught up in it.

Piracy MUST be dealt with by a fully authorized, INDEPENDENT, IMPARTIAL, FEDERAL agency.

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Joe the court has the authority to order a company to produce documents or a KJ their discs. But it is still incumbent for the Plaintiff to prove their total case in court. Just remember in civil court the plaintiff does not have to prove "beyond a reasonable doubt", just predominence of proof. Remember OJ got away in Criminal Court but lost in Civil Court.

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True enough, but keep in mind that countersuit. The court does frown on frivolous lawsuits. One successful countersuit could end the whole mess....big time.

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Just an update: Since THE letter went out to bar owners in our area, Mr. 100,000 songs was told to hit the road. He was doing his night for drinks/tips, however so it didn't really create an opening.

I just don't understand, what's the big deal. If you are named in a lawsuit, or sent a letter, JUST SHOW THE MAN YOUR DISKS. Heck, I'd be proud to show the auditor my disks. Why is everyone so up in arms about being audited? It's no big deal. (Unless you don't have your disks).

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I would be happy to show my discs to anyone with the AUTHORITY to ask, such as federal agency with no agenda. However, when some pompous little twit with no juice or authority walks in and DEMANDS to see my discs (as one did) during a show, said twit gets shown the door.

If the twit wishes to make an appointment and pay for my time...okey dokey.

Kind of a principle thing....

Again, all of this should be handled by a non-aligned authorized federal agency, not a music comapny shill...

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Pay for your time. GIVE ME A BREAK. All they're trying to do is catch the pirates. Is your time so valuable that you can't take an hour or so to help stomp out the piracy in your area? That little twit only trying to help us..

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Of course you can wait for them to get a subpoena for them, drag you into court (which you will not get paid for) etc, and winding up with the same results.

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So, you guys wouldn't mind if the FBI stopped by some Friday night and wanted to go through your house looking for illegal drugs? After all, you have nothing to hide...they are just trying to stomp out drugs! Just let em in!

And how about some random traffic stops to let the state patrol search your car for contraband. Nothing in your trunk right, so no big deal!

Hey! Why not let the ATF search/frisk people on the street at random for hidden weapons! After all, you don't have any so whats the big deal? They just want to eliminate gun runners after all.

Sound Choice has the right, as does everyone, to sue in civil court because it believes its property has been stolen. (This is not criminal court.)
Sound Choice must have some reasonable assumption of its charges because Sound Choice can be counter-sued for a frivolous action; you don't want to bring a weak case into federal court. Sound Choice has made it clear that it will immediately drop action against any KJ who shows he or she has the discs.

As I posted earlier in this thread, a Sound Choice rep (an actual employee of the company) visited one of my shows and verified I had the discs.
I was very curious about this visit, so I contacted Sound Choice directly. A Sound Choice employee explained the company's investigation and litigation plans, including how the company would set up an audit.

However you feel about the manufacturers and their earlier practices, they've been getting prison-raped by pirates so I don't blame them for trying to fight back. I agree with Skid Rowe (who is familiar with the extreme high proportion of pirate KJs in our area), what's the big deal about allowing Sound Choice to verify you are NOT a pirate? I would think legit KJs might even invite Sound Choice to stop by their shows.

If this was a case of just a very small percentage of pirates in the overall KJ population, I probably wouldn't care for Sound Choice's line of action. But in my area, the percentages are incredibly out of whack -- I'm willing to bet it's 80-to-90-percent pirates to legit KJs.

If a Sound Choice rep came by my show, and wanted to see my originals, he would of course have to wait until after my show was over. I might even get him to help pack up at the end of the night. Then maybe we'd go to breakfast, and I could pick his brain a little. We could agree on a time to come by the house the next day, and check my disks at a reasonable hour. (Not 3:00 in the morning). It's really no biggie. I might even ask Jerry to come along.

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